I could understand were it flintlocks. 1 lb. Now, the Remington's ignition is almost instant, very similar to a centerfire rifle. Quiet Professional; Lifetime Benefactor; 3,695 5,397 posts; Location: Clarksville, TN; Share; Posted October 26, 2015. An un-taped VCEC with 3 grams of Pyrodex P managed to push the chute out of our test article, but we observed a lot of flame from late combustion and there was a lot of residue inside the tube. I've nearly gone through the three bottles of Pyrodex (P and RS) and more than 3 of T7. We are stockists of the popular Black Powder substitutes, including Pyrodex P, RS and Select, and Triple7, FFG and FFFG. Pyrodex® P is equivalent to FFFG black powder on a particle size basis. Oct 30, 2016 #6 R. Rooster52 New member. It loads at the same volumetric measurement as 2Fg Goex, but if you use weighed charges instead, you need to reduce about 15% from the BP weighed charge, i.e. View Profile View Forum Posts Titanium Join Date Apr 2007 Location Dublin Texas Posts 2,614 Post Thanks / Like Likes (Given) 1430 Likes (Received) 922. ot: Pyrodex vs. 3f black powder conversion I build mountain howitzers that have 2.75" bores. My smoke poles prefers the finer Pyrodex P granules to anything else. 5 1/2 small pistol primer (all I have at the moment). … Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns while Pyrodex P can be used in muzzleloading pistols, cap and ball revolvers, or small bore, muzzloading rifles. I will try new bullets next season but with these bullets and 100 grains it is holding a 1.5" group. Although I have real BP, I decided to use some Pyrodex P, which I want to get rid of, instead. This video includes chronograph testing to determine velocity and energy. ... RS (Rifle/Shotgun) equal to FFG black powder, and P (Pistol) equal to FFFg black powder, Pyrodex is now becoming available in Select and solid pellet varieties. Blackhorn 209 vs Pyrodex. Hodgdon Smokeless Powder & Pyrodex. There is a huge discrepancie between Cabela and Pietta. Available in a 1-LB container. I grease the action parts exposed to blowback with a light grease (got some Hoppe's Gun Grease on sale, but I expect any appropriate grease would work), and keep the action spritzed with Ballistol every few stages. The sidelock has a slower ignition time, due to the longer swing of the hammer, the longer path of the flame, along with the change of direction. Pellets 2382 F.P.S. Oct 29, 2016 #5 S. sbhooper Well-known member. Mar 18, 2012 #1 I have been unable to find a good, reasonably priced source for black powder (and I don't want to buy 25# on line) so I have been using Pyrodex which is very easy to find where I live. Pyrodex P is also a great powder and shouldn't be dismissed without a try. We found that out when a taped VCEC with 3 grams of Pyrodex RS blew the back off the test article. By Omega, October 26, 2015 in Curio, Relics and Black Powder. May be better substitutes out there now, but it has always worked well for me with both RB and conical loads. black powder and Hodgdon Pyrodex RS. Loading the old Hawken with that weighed charge of Pyrodex "RS" got the ball out of the muzzle at 1,988 f.p.s.. Volume for volume, "RS" velocities proved a bit slower than FFg black powder velocities, but weight to weight the Pyrodex velocities were significantly hotter than the velocities produced by FFg black powder. Followers 0. McMurchy didn’t stop there; Pyrodex Select (which is a very large granulation size) weighs in at 63.9 grains, Pyrodex RS at 72.5, Pryrodex P at 73.0, Pyrodex pellets at 74.2, Arco at 94.7, Clean Shot at 85.1, and Quick Shots at 65.5 grains of actual weight. Load Shown in Red is Maximum 180 Grain .40 Caliber Bullet in T/C Mag Express Sabot.45 Cal. In this video, I continue my comparison between black powder and Pyrodex. The CB is a LBT 180gr. 1187 Ft. Lbs. BLACK POWDER & SUBSTITUTES : Volume to Weight Conversion Chart: December 2012 : American: Jim: Jim: Hodgdon: Hodgdon : Goex: Pioneer: Shockey's: Shockey's: Triple Or at least it seems so. Data reflect changes in velocities and energies depending n barrel length, the charge of powder, granulation of powder, and retained velocity and energy at 50 a Like all grades of Pyrodex, it burns cleaner and produces less fouling than blackpowder. It has a wide application of uses and is the most versatile powder in the Pyrodex line. Available in a 1-LB container. 2388 Ft. Lbs. Pyrodex® RS (Rifle Shotgun) ... Pyrodex® P (Pistol) is made for use in all pistols and smaller bore rifles, .45 caliber and less. Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns while Pyrodex P can be used in muzzleloading pistols, cap and ball revolvers, or small bore, muzzloading rifles. True, it is more corrosive and has the rotten egg smell but Triple7 also requires a thorough cleaning and the smoke has quite an acrid, breath-sucking odor of it's own. Soap and water will remove any Pyrodex residue. Pyrodex is somewhat hygroscopic, as well as corrosive—don’t clean your muzzleloader in a timely manner and it’ll rust for sure. I routinely use Pyrodex RS in .38 Special cartridges because I think it creates less fouling than some brands of real black powder. Pellets 2634 F.P.S. 5 (30gr.) Load data and ballistics for .50 caliber traditional patched round ball muzzleloading rifles. Sabot Powder Muzzle Muzzle with .40 Cal. In my flint gun, I use RS in the main load, and BP pan powder in the pan, as I believe it ignites a little easier the Pyrodex. It talks about injury, death, disfigurement, loss of limb and it seems like they suggest that Armaggedon will start. Has also become a favorite among many blackpowder cartridge shooters because of its exceptional consistency. 1 lb. I played with powder loads and it started opening up the groups at 110 grains of powder. RS compares to 2F blackpowder on a particle size basis. Thread: ot: Pyrodex vs. 3f black powder conversion. I was told … Joined Feb 18, 2014 Messages 1,818. I will admit Pyrodex P does shoot alot better than RS but that's the only thing good I can think of. I started with Pyrodex years ago,then switched to Triple777 and really liked … 58 grains of RS is about same as 70 grains of 2Fg. Joined Mar 3, 2011 Messages 142 Reaction score 1. Pellets 2174 F.P.S. Larry . Using RS or FFg data in a volumetric measure, Select can significantly reduce group size. Pyrodex RS vs. P. Thread starter grndhntr; Start date Mar 18, 2012; Help Support Muzzle Loading Forum: G. grndhntr 40 Cal. Pyrodex is less sensitive to ignition than black powder, and uses the same shipping and storage guidelines as smokeless powder. 100 grains of Pyrodex RS, T/C 230 HP sabot, Winchester 209 primer. Pyrodex is harder to ignite (600º F) than blackpowder and can produce gases at a temperature of 4000º F. Pyrodex RS grade is intended for muzzle-loading rifles and shotguns, P is for use in pistols, CTG is specifically for use in rifle and shotgun cartridges, and C is for use in muzzle loading cannons. The powder load was not varied, as a 100-grain load was assumed to have a higher likelihood of ignition than a 50-grain load. I'm curious as to why I read this claim often enough. We take a look at how the burn rates of Pyrodex and real black powder compare.Created by Matthew Schinzing 1953 Ft. Lbs. For target use it is the "best of the best". (CTG and C grades of Pyrodex have been discontinued for some time.) Loose. Cabela's then says Pyrodex P with .451 ball is 28 grains. #2 . Steel Frame 454 P 44 cal. P is also cheaper, sometimes very much cheaper. Select performs well with sabots and conical bullets. 3 (30gr.) Thread Tools. P is also useful as a priming charge in guns that exhibit a tortuous or fouled ignition channel or other worrisome ignition problems. Pyrodex RS/Select Triple Seven 2F Pyrodex RS/Select Triple Seven 2F Pyrodex RS/Select 832 fps 536 fps 524 fps 910 fps 987 s 580 36 Cal. Omega 3,695 Posted October 26, 2015. 5 For the second portion of the testing we evaluated patches and patch lubricants as potential ignition sources. Pyrodex and Triple 7 smoke-fumes contain cyanide and black powder does not. 1858 Steel Frame 454 1-IDY RB/Ox-Y0ke w/wad Triple seven 3F 44 cal. While Pyrodex RS continues to occupy a sizable portion of retailers’ shelves, as is especially evident by the heavily discounted prices of the numerous leftovers come the end of hunting season. Blackpowder is an explosive and you need an explosive certificate to possess and hold etc. Pyrodex P is also a great powder and shouldn't be dismissed without a try. The Pietta manual says if I exceed the maximum charge then all sorts of bad things are going to happen to me. T. TFoley 62 Cal. Joined Aug 6, 2005 Messages 4,516 Reaction score 1,202. It has a wide application of uses and is the most versatile powder in the Pyrodex line. Pryodex is currently available in three different granulation types: Pyrodex P, Pyrodex RS, and Pyrodex Select. Sighted in at 100 yards thru a cheap Bushnell 3x9x40. Pyrodex RS Sel : 110g : 1416 : 2049 #4 : Knight RedHot : 300g : Pyrodex pellets : 150g : 1846 : 2271 #2 : Rem Premier sabot : 289g : Pyrodex pellets : 150g : 1909 : 2340 #2 : Bullet Type : Grains : Powder Type : Grains : FPS : Energy : Notes : NOTES: #1 . 12-07-2015, 01:29 PM #13. Taping the first inch of the VCEC definitely produces adequate containment for complete combustion. 1851 Navy Steel Frame 375 HDY RB/ Ox-yoke w/wad Triple Seven 3F 662 fps 36 Cal. 1627 Ft. Lbs. Personal opinion is a good thing, and everyone is entitled to one. Pyrodex P powder (finer than RS, roughly 3f vs 2f) RWS 1075 #11 caps In the Remington's bolt, I put in a heavier plunger spring. So went to the range to sight in my BP rifle yesterday and tried Blackhorn 209. Pyrodex RS is very close in size to FFg black powder and is best used in rifles and shotguns .45 caliber and larger. I have had mixed results with pellets. It also needs slightly more compression than BP for consistent ignition. At any rate, I've used quite a bit of Pyrodex RS in BPCR loads. RS compares to 2F black powder on a particle size basis while P is a replacement for FFFg black powder when measured volumetrically using a black powder measure. I have always used Pyrodex RS in my side lock guns. RS compares to FFg blackpowder on a particle size basis. I’m from the UK, so the story is similar to others. gas checked FP, sized to .359" to fit my Ruger NMBH, and lubed with Felix Lube. Knight Bighorn 50 caliber. Omega. & Pyrodex ® Loads For The ... Pellets 1857 F.P.S. My TC ThunderHawk thru chronograph. Select is an enhancement of our RS grade of Pyrodex. 1851 Navy Steel Frame 375 HDY RB/Ox-Yoke w/wad Pyrodex P 44 cal. Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF. All Black Powder substitutes are sold in 1LB containers. 24 inch barrel, 1 in 38" twist using #11 primers. My Pietta Remington NMA and Lyman rifle have stock nipples and my ROA has ToTW nipples with the small orifice. Patched balls (Speer .490 round lead ball) were used exclusively in part two. Recommended Posts. RS compares to 2F black powder on a particle size basis while P is a replacement for FFFg black powder when measured volumetrically using a black powder measure. Like all grades of Pyrodex, it burns cleaner and produces less fouling than blackpowder. Joined Jul 7, 2012 Messages 4,178 Location North Platte, Nebraska. Show Printable Version; 11-26-2011, 09:09 AM #1. i_r_machinist. 155 Grain 4 (30gr.) What is the difference between black powder and Pyrodex? As these are available without any licensing requirements, these can be shipped to any UK mainland address. I used a Lee Precision 1.3cc dipper, which holds somewhere between 15 and 16 grains of Pyro P + a Rem. Pyrodex RS is designed for use in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Boolit Master Join Date May 2012 Location Boonesborough, KY Posts 4,989. Pyrodex P is roughly equivilent to FFFg black powder and is designed for use in muzzleloading rifles and pistols smaller than .45 caliber. Hodgdon Pyrodex RS can be used in all calibers of percussion muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. FergusonTO35.